Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/04/2004 01:32 PM Senate HES

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                  SB 277-STUDENT LOAN PROGRAMS                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The committee took up SB 277, at the request of the governor.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DIANE  BARRANS,  Executive Director,  Alaska  Commission  on                                                               
Postsecondary Education ("Commission"),  and Executive Officer of                                                               
the  Alaska Student  Loan  Corporation ("Corporation")  testified                                                               
that the  objectives of SB 277  were five-fold.  She  referred to                                                               
the  sectional analysis  in  the committee  packet  and said  she                                                               
would provide a  brief description.  She  outlined the objectives                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      1. To broaden the scope of the Corporation's bonding                                                                      
     authority [indisc.] and to balance the general benefit                                                                     
     of the state.   This change is requested  to ensure, as                                                                    
     the  ASLC  has  the   capacity  to  return  contributed                                                                    
     capital to  the state, that  it will have a  variety of                                                                    
     means to  do so  and will  be able  to select  the most                                                                    
     effective and efficient means.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     2.   To reconstitute the state's  student grant program                                                                    
     to  better focus  on Alaska's  workforce needs,  and to                                                                    
     enhance  the Commission's  current  outreach and  early                                                                    
     awareness initiatives.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     3.  To provide the  Commission with greater flexibility                                                                    
     in  offering  loan  consolidation options  to  existing                                                                    
     borrowers.   Current  statutes limit  the way  in which                                                                    
     the  Commission  can   offer  consolidation.    Certain                                                                    
     customers  who have  borrowed  under  the older  Alaska                                                                    
     Student Loan program, which  has been discontinued, and                                                                    
     its successor program,  the AlaskAdvantage supplemental                                                                    
     education  loan  program,   cannot  consolidate  across                                                                    
     programs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     4.      To   clarify  the   Commission's   ability   to                                                                    
     administratively  issue  liens  in  the  collection  of                                                                    
     defaulted education  loans and  to clearly set  out the                                                                    
     due process available  to a borrower in the  event of a                                                                    
     dispute taken on action by the Commission.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     5.  To provide an  exemption from the state procurement                                                                    
     code for  certain services related to  guaranteeing and                                                                    
     disbursing  of  education  loans.   Under  the  current                                                                    
     business structure  for education loans, a  lender must                                                                    
     be  prepared  to  do  business  with  the  vendors  and                                                                    
     services  preferred by  the institutions  participating                                                                    
     in the  program.  In  that case, a low  bidder approach                                                                    
     may lead to  doing business with an entity  not used by                                                                    
     the schools being served.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:55 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS continued  the  sectional  analysis, beginning  with                                                               
Section 1,  saying that  this area  adds authority  and clarifies                                                               
the process  to issue [indisc.  due to paper  shuffling] amending                                                               
language  shown  on  page  2  of the  bill.    Section  2  allows                                                               
financing of  the Education Incentive  Grant Program  through the                                                               
funds of the  Corporation, adding it as one of  the financial aid                                                               
programs  that  the   Corporation  can  fund.     Section  3  has                                                               
conforming language  adding to the  Corporation's ability  to use                                                               
funds  and   assets  to   finance  that   program.     Section  4                                                               
specifically  broadens the  scope  of bonding  authority for  the                                                               
Corporation.   Lines 23 - 31  allows for additional payment  - to                                                               
issue  bonds  to finance  state  projects,  as identified.    She                                                               
explained that in  Section 5 the Commission  and Corporation both                                                               
feel it's  more appropriate  for the  financial authority  to set                                                               
the  fees and  rates associated  with  the programs.   Section  6                                                               
makes changes  to the current consolidation  language in statute;                                                               
it removes  the limitation of  consolidating loans under  the old                                                               
program and  says consolidation can  occur when a  borrower holds                                                               
two or more education loans.   Section 7 relates to the authority                                                               
for establishing a collection order.   New language is on page 5,                                                               
lines 3 -  5.  Section 8  contains all new language  and sets out                                                               
the specific due  process for those challenging  the placement of                                                               
a lien  through the  administrative process.   That  new language                                                               
continues through page 7, line 9.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS referenced Section 9,  page 7, and explained that for                                                               
about 20 years,  the old state Education  Incentive Grant Program                                                               
was  funded through  the general  fund.   Those funds,  partially                                                               
because  of the  small amount  of federal  dollars that  could be                                                               
captured, were  lined out  of the  budget in  the late  '90s, and                                                               
grant  funds  have  not  flowed  to  Alaskans  through  a  state-                                                               
operating program since then.   She then apologized and clarified                                                               
that Section 9 contains a  conforming change to statute regarding                                                               
the  trademark name  of AlaskAdvantage.    Ms. Barrans  continued                                                               
with Section  10, noting the requirement  for immediate repayment                                                               
of consolidation  loans.   Rather than  giving a  six-month grace                                                               
period  that normal  education loans  give, between  cessation of                                                               
school attendance  and the start  of repayment, there is  no six-                                                               
month  grace period.   Once  the loan  has originated,  repayment                                                               
commences  within 30-45  days.   Section 11  on page  7, contains                                                               
conforming changes  for the  new administrative  collection order                                                               
authority.    Section  12  reflects   a  trademark  name  change.                                                               
Section  13   is  a  conforming   change  that  allows   for  the                                                               
consolidation of supplemental education loans.   Section 14 is an                                                               
eligibility  requirement.   She said  that currently  there is  a                                                               
double  standard under  the  Alaska  supplemental education  loan                                                               
program.   If a  loan applicant's  credit score  is of  a certain                                                               
level, he/she  can receive  the loan  even if  there was  a prior                                                               
default on  a debt.   As  long as  it is  cleared and  the credit                                                               
score is  met, he/she can receive  that loan.  However,  if there                                                               
was  a previous  default on  one  of our  loans, even  if it  was                                                               
repaid in  full, a co-signer  is required.  This  change attempts                                                               
to  even the  playing field;  if  the applicant  meets all  other                                                               
criteria, a  co-signer won't be  necessary.  Ms.  Barrans pointed                                                               
out that some changes are "clean-up" rather than substantive.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON suggested that she skip through those changes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BARRANS   continued  that   Section   16   refers  to   the                                                               
AlaskAdvantage education grant program  and the following several                                                               
sections  provide for  key  changes to  that  program. The  grant                                                               
program would  be used  in Alaska, and  presuming there  would be                                                               
more  demand than  available  funds for  those  grants, it  would                                                               
allow the Commission, by regulation,  to create a priority system                                                               
whereby students  enrolled in certain  programs of  study leading                                                               
to employment  in critical worker-shortage areas  in Alaska would                                                               
have first priority for those funds.   This creates a fusion of a                                                               
needs-based  Alaska-centric approach,  making it  a stronger  and                                                               
more  highly valued  program in  Alaska.   She  told members  she                                                               
would  skip to  Section 24,  page 11,  and said  the occupational                                                               
areas  she was  recommending as  being of  greatest priority  for                                                               
grant funding were set out in  lines 19 - 22.  These occupational                                                               
clusters,  pre-defined by  the Alaska  Department  of Labor  [and                                                               
Workforce Development] are:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                  · community and social service;                                                                               
                  · education,    training,    and                                                                              
                    library;                                                                                                    
                  · healthcare;                                                                                                 
                  · protective service.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She  said the  second  tier  criterion was  whether  there was  a                                                               
workforce shortage  and that obviously  there may be  a workforce                                                               
shortage in  some of  those occupations  but not  in others.   As                                                               
defined on lines  25-28, the Department of  Labor would determine                                                               
whether  there was  a current  or  recurring vacancy  rate of  10                                                               
percent or greater,  as an attempt at defining  who could receive                                                               
a prioritized grant award.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN  asked, "Are  you sure you  want these  in statute?                                                               
They don't  narrow you too  much, or open  you to, in  some ways,                                                               
too  broad?"    She  questioned   whether  the  language  "severe                                                               
shortage" would allow for the  ability to respond to an emergency                                                               
or a change in circumstance.   She asked, "Is this in addition or                                                               
is it just part of the defining?"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  replied this  had to do  with the  prioritization of                                                               
funds,  and  involved  the  Commission's  long-term  approach  to                                                               
creating a mechanism  to prioritize for these  areas. Funds could                                                               
be  made  available under  the  grant  program to  any  otherwise                                                               
qualified  grant applicant  attending  an  accredited program  of                                                               
study  in Alaska.   She  said the  scenario suggested  by Senator                                                               
Green was certainly a possibility;  however, she was working from                                                               
the reality  base of it  being unlikely  that there will  ever be                                                               
sufficient funds  to grant to  everybody.  She explained  that by                                                               
focusing  on the  already  identified  long-term worker  shortage                                                               
areas in the  state, there would be a program  that, at least for                                                               
some years, wouldn't require  modification, although she wouldn't                                                               
expect the program  to fully address the need  for teachers, RNs,                                                               
LPNs, or nurses' aides.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN  noted that  the  group  being highlighted  was  a                                                               
narrow  group, and  suggested  that at  times  a different  group                                                               
might have a  higher priority.  She said she  thought Ms. Barrans                                                               
would prefer  to have  a floating  description of  "shortage" and                                                               
re-stated her  question regarding  whether Ms. Barrans  wanted to                                                               
define this in statute.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS  responded  that this  had  already  been  discussed                                                               
within the  agency and her answer  to the question at  this point                                                               
was  yes.   She said  that a  number of  other industries  in the                                                               
state  could be  pointed to  as  having shortage  areas, such  as                                                               
bankers, engineers or computer scientists.   The identified group                                                               
focuses on  a healthy infrastructure regarding  public safety and                                                               
well being  while weighing in  economic factors.   Recruiting for                                                               
high-end, high-wage jobs such  as computer scientists, engineers,                                                               
or architects, is different.   Candidly, she said there have been                                                               
a number  of initiatives over the  years and the feeling  is that                                                               
professions having to do with  health, safety, and education fall                                                               
into  a special  category -  the infrastructure  of a  community.                                                               
She  said  there  was  only  so much  money  to  go  around,  and                                                               
targeting in this way makes sense.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked for clarification  regarding the pot of money                                                               
and the  program being defined  in Section  24.  She  wondered if                                                               
shortage priority  related to a  very limited grant  program, not                                                               
having anything to do with anything else.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  replied, "No, absolutely  not."  She  explained that                                                               
the  intention was  to  keep  the costs  of  other programs  low,                                                               
competitive, and unilaterally available to every Alaskan.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN stated  that although  she doesn't  often disagree                                                               
with Ms. Barrans,  she wasn't sure she was in  agreement with Ms.                                                               
Barrans's  taking responsibility  for  determining  "what is  the                                                               
state's highest  priority, and  if it  should be  social service,                                                               
health,  education, protective  service."   She  said she  wasn't                                                               
sure this was within [Ms. Barrans'] purview.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  acknowledged this was  a good question,  and pointed                                                               
out  the demonstrable  public  safety need  in  rural Alaska  and                                                               
asked if  such training was  outside of the availability  of this                                                               
category of grants.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  said no, that  as long as  the program of  study was                                                               
required for entry  into that occupation and  was offered through                                                               
an  accredited institution  in  Alaska, it  would  qualify.   She                                                               
mentioned  AVTech,  University  of Alaska's  campuses,  Ilisagvik                                                               
[College}, Alaska  Pacific, and Sheldon Jackson's  trooper course                                                               
in Sitka as potentially qualifying programs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  remarked that if and  when there is a  gas pipeline,                                                               
there  would  be  a  desperate need  for  quality  welders;  this                                                               
language  wouldn't  allow the  grants  to  be  used for  such  an                                                               
anticipated future need.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS said  she  believed the  Commission  would have  the                                                               
ability, through  regulation, to define  a current [need]  and to                                                               
factor in train-up time, if  in fact DOL forecasts an anticipated                                                               
shortage in the future that's not a shortage today.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked,  "Which one of these  categories under Section                                                               
24?"                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  referred to page 11,  line 25 and said  she believes                                                               
that the  Commission, through regulation, could  define "current"                                                               
as meaning  anticipated to  occur within  a six-month  or twelve-                                                               
month period for  example, in which case  prioritization could be                                                               
considered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRETCHEN  GUESS asked  if the priority  list was  on page                                                               
10, line 26 - 31:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The commission  shall give an applicant  eligible under                                                                    
     (a) of this section priority  for a grant award if that                                                                    
     applicant is, or is about  to be, enrolled in a program                                                                    
     of  study  that  is  preparatory for  employment  in  a                                                                    
     health,  human services,  education,  or public  safety                                                                    
     occupation or  profession for  which the  Department of                                                                    
     Labor and  Workforce Development, or  another workforce                                                                    
     data  source selected  as reliable  by the  commission,                                                                    
     indicates  there  is  a   severe  shortage  of  trained                                                                    
     individuals in this state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied this was correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS questioned  whether  welders  would be  considered                                                               
under this part of the statute.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  responded, "If it  appears within one of  those four                                                               
occupational clusters."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked about this having to be a profession.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said, "or occupation."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said, "A welder  isn't a public safety occupation and                                                               
is questionably not a profession."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said it was unlikely  that "welder" falls into one of                                                               
the four occupational clusters set aside for prioritization.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:15 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if these  grants would  apply to a  student at                                                               
AVTech.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied absolutely.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  referred to  the possibility of  a student  taking a                                                               
welding class [at AVTech].                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  explained that students could  apply; prioritization                                                               
depends on what the pool of  applicants looks like for that year,                                                               
how much  money is available,  and whether or  not prioritization                                                               
is   necessary.     If  there   are  no   worker  shortages   and                                                               
prioritization is  not necessary,  then money  is dispensed  on a                                                               
needs basis.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said if a huge  project need was recognized, the four                                                               
categories would  have to  be satisfied  before the  first welder                                                               
would be taken.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  replied this  would depend  on how  regulations were                                                               
written, as  this relies on  the Commission to  put a lot  of the                                                               
bones into  the structure of  the program.  The  Commission could                                                               
allocate  'x' percentage  of funds  to the  prioritization fields                                                               
for  that  year, "and  make  the  others generally  available  to                                                               
applicants."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said he understood  what was said, acknowledging that                                                               
he wasn't sure it was good public  policy to leave it just to the                                                               
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS concluded  [the sectional  analysis] by  referencing                                                               
Section  29,  page   12,  saying  that  this   would  exempt  the                                                               
disbursing, and guarantee third party from the state [indisc.].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON referred to Section  4, page 3, sub-paragraph 3, line                                                               
28.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 04-4, SIDE B                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON continued  that this appears to say  that proceeds of                                                               
the  bonds can  be used  to finance  any kind  of state  activity                                                               
approved by  law.   He asked  if this was  a change  from current                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS responded  that  it  was.   She  explained that  the                                                               
Corporation would like  to achieve the objective in  the next few                                                               
years,   as  funds   are  available,   to  return   the  original                                                               
contributed  capital  that  the  state   gave  to  start  up  the                                                               
Corporation  between 1988  and 1992,  in cash  and assets  - over                                                               
$360 million [indisc. due to  paper shuffling].  This would allow                                                               
the Corporation  to consider if  it was most efficient  and cost-                                                               
effective to  return the capital  through the issuance  of bonds.                                                               
The return  being made in  FY 05 is based  on a bonds  issuing of                                                               
assets  that are  free and  clear,  allowing for  the ability  to                                                               
proceed  because of  not  being pledged  to  any other  indenture                                                               
currently outstanding  for the Corporation.   Even if  the assets                                                               
continue to be pledged to  the indenture, if the additional bonds                                                               
can  be financed  to  give  the proceeds  to  the  state to  use,                                                               
typically,  as  they  will  be  in  FY  05  for  capital  project                                                               
expenditures,  the  Corporation  would  be able  to  select  that                                                               
option.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON commented  that  this was  a  significant change  in                                                               
policy.   He asked  if it  said, "up  to the  limit" of  what the                                                               
state originally contributed to this fund.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said it  did not.  It does not set  a cap.  Financial                                                               
advisors have  identified that about  $250 to $260  million could                                                               
be  returned.    This  will  be  less  than  the  $306  [million]                                                               
originally  used   to  capitalize   the  program;   however,  the                                                               
Corporation's annual  dividends, paid to  the state for  the last                                                               
four  years, is  expected to  continue in  a rather  flat, modest                                                               
amount.   Through FY 05,  the Corporation will have  returned $22                                                               
million  in dividends.   She  said the  expectation is  that over                                                               
time,  the total  return to  the  state will  be its  contributed                                                               
capital plus some earnings on  the Corporation, but those will be                                                               
relatively modest.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS referred  to Section 4 and asked, "What  do we bond                                                               
for now?"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS   replied  it  was  to   finance  the  Corporation's                                                               
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS asked  about the  included language,  specifically                                                               
the Corporation's borrowing money or issuing of bonds.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied, "That's how bond counsel recommended it."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS commented  on the language being "as  broad as I've                                                               
ever seen  language" and questioned  whether there was  any limit                                                               
on bonding  for these purposes,  or what would stop  someone from                                                               
bonding again after the $260 million.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied,  "The capacity to do so in  a way that makes                                                               
sense is really  what would be lacking."   The Corporation issues                                                               
bonds at  AA rating  or greater,  and to do  that, there  must be                                                               
minimum levels of cash flow,  minimal levels of coverage to issue                                                               
bonds at  that rating in the  financial market.  Once  the return                                                               
of capital  has been completed, there  will be no capacity  to do                                                               
that  and  the  Corporation's  extra,  resulting  from  regaining                                                               
financial health, will be gone.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  asked, "What  if you  need the  extra to  keep the                                                               
health of the Corporation during the time of repayment?"                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS replied  that something  attractive  about a  3-year                                                               
phased-in project is  that OMB [Office of  Management and Budget]                                                               
understands that  each year the  Corporation will run  cash flows                                                               
ensuring that low-cost loans can  be offered that can continue to                                                               
be reserved  for the benefits on  the program and will  then ask,                                                               
"to what extent  funds are available."  She said  there is always                                                               
some flex in the next two  annual cycles because of wanting to do                                                               
that in  real time.   The  Corporation felt a  need to  be candid                                                               
regarding its long-term objective.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  asked, "There's no  more excess but there  is some                                                               
flexibility?"   She admitted  to being  worried about  [the time]                                                               
when  Ms. Barrans  would be  gone, voicing  that this  was pretty                                                               
broad  language  and  the  stopgaps  and  check  systems  weren't                                                               
included to  ensure that bonding  past capacity  wouldn't happen.                                                               
She voiced  concern about the  potential scenario of  the program                                                               
not being offered,  yet there being a student  loan rate increase                                                               
due  to someone  wanting to  finance  projects in  the state  and                                                               
deciding to use ACPE as that means.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied that she  couldn't predict the future but her                                                               
observation has  been that [student  loan] programs have  been so                                                               
valued over  the past ten years  that every effort has  been made                                                               
to secure the financial well being  of the Corporation.  She said                                                               
it was beyond  her imagination that someone would  close down the                                                               
programs,  especially  as  support  has  been  increasing.    She                                                               
doesn't believe  the public or any  Legislature or administration                                                               
would close this down.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS recalled a time when  the program wasn't as good as                                                               
it  is  now  and  stated  that  she  didn't  share  Ms.  Barrans'                                                               
confidence.   She  remarked that  the language  was even  broader                                                               
than  [AHFC's,  Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation's]  bonding                                                               
language,  and thought  this was  fairly irresponsible  language.                                                               
She asked how much it would  cost the Corporation to pay back the                                                               
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS replied  that year  one  has a  $75 million  revenue                                                               
piece.    She said  there  were  two  fiscal  notes, and  a  $120                                                               
thousand federal match.  She said  there should be $75 million in                                                               
revenue on the ASLC fiscal note for  FY 05 and she would get that                                                               
[information]  to  the  committee.    The  overall  debt  service                                                               
expected to  pay in principal  and interest, over 13  years, will                                                               
total about $92 million, she said.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  asked if  this would impact  the dividend  paid to                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS responded  that statute  is currently  structured to                                                               
determine the dividend at about $500 thousand less per year.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  asked if the state  would get $260 million  over a                                                             
three-year period.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS confirmed this to be  the case, from FY 05 through FY                                                               
07.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:29 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS referenced  page 11, lines 1 - 4,  and asked for an                                                               
explanation of "priority."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  said the Commission,  through regulation,  might use                                                               
this  as  a tool  to  promote  positive  student behavior.    For                                                               
example, the  Commission could prioritize funds  for students who                                                               
have taken  a designated college preparatory  course during their                                                               
secondary  school  program.    She  said  this  wouldn't  be  the                                                               
Commission's first  priority.  One  of her concerns as  a program                                                               
administrator was the  importance of having a  program that could                                                               
be  deemed  a  success.    When a  state  has  limited  resources                                                               
available and  chooses to invest  funds in a grant  program, it's                                                               
better  if a  grant recipient  succeeds in  what he/she  has been                                                               
subsidized to  do.  It's fairly  clear that if a  student enrolls                                                               
in a  challenging curriculum during  a secondary  program, he/she                                                               
is  better  prepared  and able  to  succeed,  once  postsecondary                                                               
objectives are  being pursued.   Because  this has  a needs-based                                                               
component, in  looking at Alaska's 19-year  old population, fewer                                                               
than  30  percent continue  to  postsecondary  education, and  of                                                               
those in the lowest income level,  less than 1 in 10 continues on                                                               
to postsecondary education.   Her concern is  that if educational                                                               
financial assistance is  offered to someone who is  not only poor                                                               
but also under-prepared,  this could be putting that  person in a                                                               
worse situation than he/she was in before.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS  asked if  the lien provision  comes after  all the                                                               
other liens.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied, "First come, first served."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GUESS  mentioned  that she  had  spoken  with  President                                                               
Therriault about collections,  administrative hearings, and liens                                                               
that  she thinks  should  be reviewed  by  Judiciary rather  than                                                               
being the focus of HESS or Finance.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said, "that is  existing, we have that authority" and                                                               
the  due  process  is  being  clarified  to  improve  an  already                                                               
existing authority.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON stated  that this  committee's primary  role was  to                                                               
ensure that  what's going  on isn't to  the detriment  of student                                                               
loans or  grants, and  is hopefully an  enhancement to  it, while                                                               
the financial issues  are better handled by Finance.   He said he                                                               
shares  Senator  Guess's  surprise.    CHAIR  DYSON  took  public                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICK  WILLIAMS,  Chief  Enrollment  Officer,  University  of                                                               
Alaska, Anchorage,  testified via  teleconference in favor  of SB
277, especially Section 16.  He said  there is a real need in the                                                               
state to  help needs-based students.   He  said the data  on low-                                                               
income  students reveals  that an  average of  75 percent  of the                                                               
students  who receive  Pell Grants  - which  are really  poverty-                                                               
level  grants  -  from  the time  of  application  to  enrollment                                                               
actually go  on to class.   That is,  except for one  small group                                                               
who are  of maximum  need, and  that statistic  is only  about 50                                                               
percent.   He  pointed  out  that even  with  the maximum  amount                                                               
given, those  students are  still unable to  afford college.   He                                                               
said  he  was  probably referring  to  first-generation  students                                                               
whose parents  haven't been  to college, people  trying to  get a                                                               
leg up  in life.  He  said this grant  program was a step  in the                                                               
right direction,  especially the targeting of  workforce needs in                                                               
2009 that the state needs to develop.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. TED MALONE, Director of  Financial Aid, University of Alaska,                                                               
Anchorage,  testified via  teleconference in  support of  SB 277,                                                               
specifically  sections relating  to the  AlaskAdvantage education                                                               
grant program.   He said Alaska  was the only state  in the union                                                               
without a  state grant program  in place.   He said  Alaska could                                                               
significantly enhance  its ability  to attract students  into the                                                               
previously  enumerated lower  paying  occupations.   As  students                                                               
accrue more debt, many career  choices are based on one's ability                                                               
to pay off  that debt.  Regarding a  decision between accounting,                                                               
starting  at $45,000,  or social  work starting  at $25,000,  the                                                               
state's  offering  of an  incentive  could  go further  than  the                                                               
actual  dollars;  a  little  bit  of grant  money  could  make  a                                                               
substantial  difference,  as it  could  be  an encouragement  and                                                               
incentive for someone to pursue and persist in a service-                                                                       
oriented field  rather than physical labor,  for example, whereby                                                               
a similar starting wage might  be available without involving the                                                               
expense of going to school.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if the  administration had requested  that Mr.                                                               
Williams or Mr. Mallone testify on this bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS replied  that his administration didn't  know he was                                                               
testifying; he  had spoken  with the  Commission and  was excited                                                               
about this program.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON thanked  them for their testimony and  asked if there                                                               
was any  further testimony.   Hearing none,  he took a  brief at-                                                               
ease from 2:40 -  2:41 p.m.  He announced that  the bill would be                                                               
held in committee until probably early next week.                                                                               

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